Vogler Response #3

Vogler concludes book one of "The Writer's Journey" by illustrating the characteristics of the remaining archetypes which are essential to a hero's journey, and they are the threshold guardian, the herald, the shapeshifter, the shadow, the ally and the trickster. Vogler continues to make the point that archetypes do no mean characters, but can represent different things in a story, Vogler also maintains that a character has the power to possess more than one of these archetypes at a time and can shift from one to another. I have been watching batman all weekend so i liked the parallel they drew with Alfred acting both as a Ally and a mentor, and how in many case they go together.
I think the main point Vogler is trying to make is that their is an array of different characters who represent different things, things which have become integral in the structure of stories for hundreds of years. I think that stories only change based on the combinations that the archetypes provide, just to draw contrast, how different would the story be between the mentor being an ally and the mentor being a shapeshifter. The way i see it is that all the pieces are infront of you, but the author has the power to jumble them all up, and give dual personas to characters and objects, which in turn leads to a new story. Vogler writes using good examples which are easy to interpret and distinguish.
Everything Vogler has been writing about is important as we draft our first papers in this class. It teaches us a structure to follow that makes the writing process easier. I always feel like its easier to write a paper if i have loads of prewriting notes infront of me detailing step by step how i should go about things. I found in interesting that Eve from adam and eve was listed under a potential femme fatale, i thought that was a little extreme. But Vogler has good examples of the classic archetypes and by relating them to movie and cartoon characters, its easier to decipher what he is talking about.

1. how can some act as both a shadow and a mentor?
2. why was so little said about the trickster? and what more could be said?
3. can the hero also possess the characteristics of the archetypes?
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